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Post Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2010 9:40 am 
 

So Wavemotion sucks because he is polite, temperate and articulate?


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Post Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2010 10:05 am 
 

FormCritic wrote:So Wavemotion sucks because he is polite, temperate and articulate?

Not to speak for others, but I think this is why I'm tolerated here. I suck for other reasons.

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Post Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2010 10:07 am 
 

*Wavemotion* didn't strike me as evangelical, just someone who's enthusiastic about his work.  And few personality types turn me off more quickly than "the evangelical".

I'm a little surprised by the anger to some of his posts.  Wasn't he just trying to get feedback on his own site's ranking of RPG material?
Or maybe I'm missing something.  I usually am.

Having said that, it's unclear how much RPG collectors can glean from a poll where the voters include RPGamers, wargamers, card gamers, etc.

Since, as Mark Twain said, there are lies, damn lies and statistics, maybe the poll question should be rephrased to only include D&D material, or TSR products, or something to that affect.  
Just a thought.


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Post Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2010 10:19 am 
 

Can't say that I have any issue with other members here, from one extreme of our reactions to another.

Evangelist or not, Wavemotion does seem ok in his posts, and as stated enthusiastic in his endeavours!

Whatever the feeling is to RPGG (or BGG for that matter), depth of accuracy is one of those things that is important to the Acaeum in the number of print types, whereas the Geek sites cover a much larger part of the market for everyone.

Both useful sites in their own way, but working in quite different ways.  :)


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Post Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2010 11:05 am 
 

It was Dave's passion and civility that convinced me to take a look and join RPGG.

  


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Post Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2010 11:16 am 
 

FormCritic wrote:So Wavemotion sucks because he is polite, temperate and articulate?


I always respect a man who stands for what he believes in (as long as it doesn't harm others).
Sad, isn't it, how easily people resort to judging somebody else's passion?
I'm reminded of how gaming was judged and stigmatized when I was an impressionable kid-gamer. (my earlier tongue-in-cheak post) Plenty of fire and brimstone around BITD.

  


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Post Posted: Wed Jul 07, 2010 12:37 am 
 

I'm looking forward to reading Delta Green, and may check the site for reviews on books based on rpg's. Yeah! Cheers!

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Post Posted: Wed Jul 07, 2010 10:59 am 
 

serleran wrote:Or, to quote a contemporary of the Speare-thrower... Sint mihi Dei Acherontiis propitii!


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Post Posted: Wed Jul 07, 2010 11:40 am 
 

I think Wave' comes accross clearly and he's got a passion for what he does, but I don't get his  motivation. He doesn't seem to have a financial stake in seeing RPGG increase its membership, and he seems to have no real expertise or interest in bettering the quality of the site. So I don't really get the point of why he bangs the drum.

I don't think it's 'evangelical' and it doesn't come accross that way, but I think he's misguided in that he can't see the flaws in the membership or the crap that's posted on the site (threads and data).

To me, it seems more like early love, love being blind and all that. It's that level of faith and blindness to flaw that he seems to possess. His boss must be one great guy. LOL!


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Post Posted: Wed Jul 07, 2010 12:20 pm 
 

mbassoc2003 wrote:he seems to have no real expertise or interest in bettering the quality of the site.


No real interest in bettering the quality of the site? You haven't actually read a single thing I've posted since I got here including my original post asking for help. Oh, I'm sure you've seen the words... and maybe you even sounded out a few of them... but you've not really read it. I hoped for better.

Some days I wonder if I should have gone looking for good people at Dragonsfoot instead.

On an unrelated note, I'm surprised nobody asked what the worst ranked 1e or earlier TSR product was.  

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Post Posted: Wed Jul 07, 2010 12:22 pm 
 

Just had a thought about the whole RPGG thing.. Any thoughts on what the worse 1e TSR item would be?

A module perhaps. Unearthed Arcana....??


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Post Posted: Wed Jul 07, 2010 12:27 pm 
 

mbassoc2003 wrote:His boss must be one great guy. LOL!

I am, thanks!

Ever think "I'm so much smarter than my boss?". I'm sure you have. That's the way it's supposed to work. Producers produce. Workers work. Managers manage. Every person that works under me is smarter than I am. Every person that volunteers their time and effort to support a hobby I'm passionate about is smarter than me. It's designed to be that way.

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Post Posted: Wed Jul 07, 2010 12:30 pm 
 

ashmire13 wrote:A module perhaps. Unearthed Arcana....??

Great guess... but not the lowest ranked.

I'll give you a hint, the lowest ranked 1e or earlier product still has twice the actual numerical rating of F.A.T.A.L.

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Post Posted: Wed Jul 07, 2010 12:36 pm 
 

Hmmm.. WG7 Castle Greyhawk would be my mod guess then.


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Post Posted: Wed Jul 07, 2010 12:42 pm 
 

ashmire13 wrote:Hmmm.. WG7 Castle Greyhawk would be my mod guess then.


That's correct!  Ranked at #2080. There may be worse TSR products - but they don't have enough votes yet to be ranked.

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Post Posted: Wed Jul 07, 2010 12:45 pm 
 

Out of interest, where did UA come? It does seem to be widely regarded as the end of serious AD&D 1st.


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Post Posted: Wed Jul 07, 2010 12:47 pm 
 

ashmire13 wrote:Out of interest, where did UA come? It does seem to be widely regarded as the end of serious AD&D 1st.


1e Unearthed Arcana currently sits at #431. It's on a downward trend as it got a large number of votes (thus overcoming the Bayesian averaging) but as more and more items get rated it's not holding up.

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Post Posted: Wed Jul 07, 2010 12:51 pm 
 

would that perhaps point a finger at the age/thought processes/motives of the early RPGG members then? Especially if it is being watered down as more and more (older?) players join the site??  :?


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