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Post Posted: Tue Jun 01, 2010 9:59 am 
 

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If that wasn't so scary, it would be high comedy!  By the way, those are some HUGE miniatures on their table.  Bigger than chess pieces!

I see this cartoon every few years and it always cracks me up!


I thought it was a joke cartoon when I started reading it, until I got to the end... Flashback to the '80s ensued...  8O  :lol:


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Post Posted: Tue Jun 01, 2010 10:58 am 
 

Hilarious! Boy, there was that whole D&D scare by the bible thumpers in the 80s wasn't there? I had a neighbor try to talk me out of playing D&D to save my soul. Nowadays, parents would be thrilled if the kids would put down the video games and pick up a Dungeon Masters Guide.

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Post Posted: Tue Jun 01, 2010 12:08 pm 
 

ashmire13 wrote:Purely, WTF!!!  8O  8O

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Post Posted: Wed Jun 02, 2010 8:42 am 
 

Hi,

Gunman on loose in the UK, apparently randomly shooting people.

This hasn't happened for a while, not since Hungerford, roughly 25 years ago.

He's trying to go to ground in the Lake District. If they don't get him soon, they might have trouble getting hold of him  8O

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Post Posted: Wed Jun 02, 2010 8:47 am 
 

lawrenson wrote:Hi,

Gunman on loose in the UK, apparently randomly shooting people.

This hasn't happened for a while, not since Hungerford, roughly 25 years ago.

He's trying to go to ground in the Lake District. If they don't get him soon, they might have trouble getting hold of him  8O

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Thats not good, its school half term and therefore holidaying in Cumbria and the locale...!  8O

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/5/20100602/tuk ... dbed5.html


I remember Hungerford, wierd day of news and disbelief, especially as its not that far from where I live.


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Post Posted: Wed Jun 02, 2010 9:06 am 
 

And he's killed himself...

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Post Posted: Wed Jun 02, 2010 9:44 am 
 

lawrenson wrote:And he's killed himself...



Tends to be the way...


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Post Posted: Wed Jun 02, 2010 9:48 am 
 

lawrenson wrote:And he's killed himself...

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Well, the dude did a single good deed after that killing rampage at least.

Makes one wonder if taking guns from the hands of the peace officers really is a great idea. :?
I never have understodd the reasoning behind that wise regulation in the UK and other countries where the cops patrol the streets unarmed. 8O


In the USA the cops carry firearms, not whistles to get the bad guys attention and billy clubs in case the bad guys let the cops get close enough to use it...  

In fact, in some areas of the USA a regular joe shmo by might have ended it MUCH sooner.
Like in Texas... or Florida... where guys with guns aint just killers.


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Post Posted: Wed Jun 02, 2010 9:57 am 
 

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Well, the dude did a single good deed after that killing rampage at least.

Makes one wonder if taking guns from the hands of the peace officers really is a great idea. :?
I never have understodd the reasoning behind that wise regulation in the UK and other countries where the cops patrol the streets unarmed. 8O


In the USA the cops carry firearms, not whistles to get the bad guys attention and billy clubs in case the bad guys let the cops get close enough to use it...  

In fact, in some areas of the USA a regular joe shmo by might have ended it MUCH sooner.
Like in Texas... or Florida... where guys with guns aint just killers.


Hmm, I'm not sure that we have a massive gun problem to warrant every officer carrying guns. There aren't that many shootings really. The armed response units still have guns and tend to be at the scene very, very quickly where necessary.

There is the argument that allowing anyone to carry a gun - a) provokes more attacks but I suppose that is also countered by - b) acts as a deterent in the first place...  :?

But you only have to take a look at the high school shootings to see where it can all go wrong I guess.

How many shootings would happen across the US (compared to currently), if the law was the same as it is over here?? The same question could be asked the other way too.

However, although the bulk of the police force are unarmed, we have progressed from whistles and billy clubs....  :lol:


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Post Posted: Wed Jun 02, 2010 10:20 am 
 

Hmm... yeah. 3 serious "rampages" is I think all the UK have had.

Not chasing people with guns allows the police to get down to serious business - like giving me a ticket at the weekend for having my car windows too tinted  :evil:

Its a 10 year old people carrier which I've had for about 6 years. The windows were factory-fitted. If they're illegal, then you might think it should have been mentioned at SOME point before now  :(

I got the lightest fine, but still.

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Post Posted: Wed Jun 02, 2010 10:22 am 
 

lawrenson wrote:Hmm... yeah. 3 serious "rampages" is I think all the UK have had.

Not chasing people with guns allows the police to get down to serious business - like giving me a ticket at the weekend for having my car windows too tinted  :evil:


:roll:  now that's frustrating!


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Post Posted: Wed Jun 02, 2010 11:17 am 
 

ashmire13 wrote:
Tends to be the way...


Too bad these idiots don't START out their rampages that way...

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Post Posted: Wed Jun 02, 2010 11:21 am 
 

ashmire13 wrote:
Hmm, I'm not sure that we have a massive gun problem to warrant every officer carrying guns. There aren't that many shootings really. The armed response units still have guns and tend to be at the scene very, very quickly where necessary.

There is the argument that allowing anyone to carry a gun - a) provokes more attacks but I suppose that is also countered by - b) acts as a deterent in the first place...  :?

But you only have to take a look at the high school shootings to see where it can all go wrong I guess.

How many shootings would happen across the US (compared to currently), if the law was the same as it is over here?? The same question could be asked the other way too.

However, although the bulk of the police force are unarmed, we have progressed from whistles and billy clubs....  :lol:


China has had three recent rampages in schools that were all carried out by knife wielding nuts...and many, many children were killed.  So if it isn't a high school shooting, these lunatics still figure out a way to kill helpless people.

I think it's a very circular (deterent vs provoking) argument and there is no real solution. I know I do feel safer inmy own home with a firearm, so I suppose it gives me piece of mind.

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Post Posted: Wed Jun 02, 2010 11:41 am 
 

Give it some time. There's a high probablility the shooter was on some type of 'medication' like Prozac. If you wait long enough, you can almost always find a news article, usually local, where these psychotic shooters and people generally wigging out are on this stuff.

The big problem is not who is armed, though. The problem is the population is being encouraged to act like little animals. Crap like Ritalin and Prozac doesn't help to prevent, it helps to encourage.

I recall catching an interview with the cop who bagged the Texas Tower shooter in the '60s. He credited the locals who whipped out their shootin' irons and fired back, thus pinning down the shooter and allowing he and his partner to get into the building in the first place. Two guys took him out. How many deaths were prevented by quick action?

These days, the cops don't take risks on their own. They call in multiple SWAT teams who wait 4 hours before storming a crime scene, like they did at Columbine. How many deaths happened during the wait?

  


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Post Posted: Wed Jun 02, 2010 12:41 pm 
 

Badmike wrote:
I think it's a very circular (deterent vs provoking) argument and there is no real solution.
Mike B.


Exactly my point, I don't think there is an answer, but both countries seem to work the policy their own way to the best they can.


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Post Posted: Wed Jun 02, 2010 12:42 pm 
 

SimperingToad wrote:Give it some time. There's a high probablility the shooter was on some type of 'medication' like Prozac. If you wait long enough, you can almost always find a news article, usually local, where these psychotic shooters and people generally wigging out are on this stuff.

The big problem is not who is armed, though. The problem is the population is being encouraged to act like little animals. Crap like Ritalin and Prozac doesn't help to prevent, it helps to encourage.


Probably find he was a D&D or videogames player given enough time for the media... :roll:

Much easier to blame that, than a drug being widely(ish) used.


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Post Posted: Wed Jun 02, 2010 3:08 pm 
 

I believe the number is 34 states have laws permitting concealed carry of firearms.  Three states do not even require licensing - Alaska, Arizona, and Vermont (or is it New Hampshire).  FBI data indicates that crime rates have dropped in every state after the concealed carry legislation is passed and murder rates are well below where they were 10 years ago.  But then again, anyone who has a CCW permit has had a full background check, has never been convicted of a felony, and has never been convicted of any drug offense.  But then if you go to the trouble of obtaining the CCW permit, chances are it's not because you plan on committing a crime.  It's the nut jobs you have to watch out for.


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