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Posted: Sat Jan 28, 2012 6:07 pm

Whaddya think of the cover designs?

http://scottsz.posterous.com/re-release-cover-art

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Posted: Sat Jan 28, 2012 6:15 pm

I think they look OK.

I don't like the white lower quarter with the red seal. I think the brown would be good for the entire cover.

Can we get them to tell us in advance if the books are drab and stitched or glossy and explodo-glued?

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Posted: Sat Jan 28, 2012 6:18 pm

FormCritic wrote:I think they look OK.

I don't like the white lower quarter with the red seal. I think the brown would be good for the entire cover.

Can we get them to tell us in advance if the books are drab and stitched or glossy and explodo-glued?

Yeah, I'm with you. Just okay. At least there's something of the originals incorporated. Bugs me that all of the context is gone (PHB = adventurers ransacking lizard man lair, DMG = battle with the City of Brass in background, MM = ummm, okay ya got me there, it always sucked

).

I think the white band and red seal are to distinguish them so no one is fooled into thinking they're the high-priced original books...oh, wait... guffaw.

They'll be glossy and glued. Telling ourselves anything different would be willful self-delusion.

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Posted: Sat Jan 28, 2012 6:24 pm

MetamorphosisSigma wrote:They'll be glossy and glued. Telling ourselves anything different would be willful self-delusion.

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Posted: Sat Jan 28, 2012 6:51 pm

I am ok with the covers. Nothing really exciting. I do not like the fact that "Advaced" is missing from the PHB. It might be petty on my part, but it just jumped out qt me.
Stay on target, stay on target...still buying...

And I could've bought these damn modules off the 1$ rack!!!

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Posted: Sat Jan 28, 2012 9:55 pm

bbarsh wrote:I am ok with the covers. Nothing really exciting. I do not like the fact that "Advaced" is missing from the PHB. It might be petty on my part, but it just jumped out qt me.
Stay on target, stay on target...still buying...

I don't think it's petty at all.
"Advanced" should be on all the covers.

And I hate that font. They should've used the original.
JMHO

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Posted: Sun Jan 29, 2012 11:05 am

http://greyhawkgrognard.blogspot.com/20 ... happy.html

From today's Upcoming Products seminar at D&DXP:

Any plans to rerelease the other products for 1E and 2E and other editions, either in print or electronically?

We are looking at making a lot of that older material available to you, but we want to make sure we do it right for you guys and for Wizards. We'll have more news on that.

Zenopus Archives website & blog: Exploring the Underworld of Holmes Basic D&D. Holmes Ref: Reference Sheets for Holmes Basic Referees, also compatible with OD&D plus the Greyhawk supplement

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Posted: Sun Jan 29, 2012 11:34 am

Zenopus wrote:http://greyhawkgrognard.blogspot.com/20 ... happy.html

I am ambivalent, or as a drunk frat brother used to say, amphibious.

The D&D fan base appears to be hopelessly fractured.
It'd be easier to reunite Christianity under the Pope.

Does this make you want to become a regular WoTC customer?

An old-schooler might buy a re-release of White Plume off-the-shelf simply because it's such a good module.
Or a collector might buy it if it were a limited print run.

But this isn't "Monopoly".
There is no core D&D game anymore.
For this gamer/collector, that seems to be the main problem.

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Posted: Sun Jan 29, 2012 12:36 pm

Keith the Thief wrote:
I am ambivalent, or as a drunk frat brother used to say, amphibious.

The D&D fan base appears to be hopelessly fractured.
It'd be easier to reunite Christianity under the Pope.

Does this make you want to become a regular WoTC customer?

An old-schooler might buy a re-release of White Plume off-the-shelf simply because it's such a good module.
Or a collector might buy it if it were a limited print run.

But this isn't "Monopoly".
There is no core D&D game anymore.
For this gamer/collector, that seems to be the main problem.

I'm stuck between being really happy they have finally cratered to fan demand to being amazed it has taken this company 13 years to realize they can make money reprinting older rules sets, supplements and modules. The sheer business stupidity it takes to sit on a 40 year metric shit-ton of reprintable material and doing nothing with it....did someone finally point that out to them? :roll:

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Posted: Sun Jan 29, 2012 2:33 pm

Keith the Thief wrote:I am ambivalent, or as a drunk frat brother used to say, amphibious.

Thanks for the laugh

The D&D fan base appears to be hopelessly fractured.
It'd be easier to reunite Christianity under the Pope.

There is one True Prophet, and His name is Gygax.

Does this make you want to become a regular WoTC customer?

Yes. I want to very badly. But, I want them to prove to me they deserve it, first.

An old-schooler might buy a re-release of White Plume off-the-shelf simply because it's such a good module.
Or a collector might buy it if it were a limited print run.

Or some unsuspecting 11-year-old might ask his parents to buy the "new" AD&D books for him, having no clue that they were first printed 30-some years ago, read them, and simply think it's a great game.

But this isn't "Monopoly".

Monopoly isn't even Monopoly anymore. Even "classic" Monopoly has had some changes to it. A few examples: luxury tax ain't 75 bucks anymore (it's more), and school taxes are lower (Huh? Go figure..). I haven't made a comprehensive comparison between my old set and the one my kids got for Christmas, but there are a number of changes.

And, you can buy a version of Monopoly that uses a debit card and a swipe machine.. Progress? You decide.

There is no core D&D game anymore.

Doesn't mean there can't be again.

I don't even necessarily need the reprints (check that, I definitely don't need them, I have the originals), but the longer I think about AD&D being back in print, the more excited I get by the notion. To think that if things go swimmingly well for this reprint effort I might actually be able to walk into Barnes and Noble in a year's time and see AD&D sitting on the shelves is intoxicating.

I'm amphibious, too, but mostly I'm ready to get back in the water, or at least stand on land and watch some tadpoles

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Posted: Sun Jan 29, 2012 6:10 pm

There is no core D&D game anymore.

MetamorphosisSigma wrote:
Doesn't mean there can't be again.

I am skeptical about whether this is true, but otherwise I agree.
I tend to be a glass half-empty guy because I didn't want the beer to get warm.

I actually did not know that about Monopoly.
Figures. I don't mind things changing, but why the hell would anybody mess with Monopoly??

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Posted: Sun Jan 29, 2012 7:40 pm

Keith the Thief wrote:I don't mind things changing, but why the hell would anybody mess with Monopoly??

You live in this country and you actually have to ask that? Most kids nowadays are used to electronic banking. Most of them dont carry cash or checks because they have ATM or credit cards. Odds are most of them couldnt tell the difference between a one dollar bill and a one hundred dollar bill. So instead of keeping track of their own money and making change in Monopoly like we did, they have the game do it for them. Oh and of course it makes it so much harder to cheat.

Hell, I'm surprised they havent changed out the original Monopoly game pieces yet. Instead of a goofy looking toy race car, they should use a Ferrari or Bugatti mold. :roll:

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Posted: Sun Jan 29, 2012 10:59 pm

Kingofpain89 wrote:You live in this country and you actually have to ask that? Most kids nowadays are used to electronic banking. Most of them dont carry cash or checks because they have ATM or credit cards. Odds are most of them couldnt tell the difference between a one dollar bill and a one hundred dollar bill. So instead of keeping track of their own money and making change in Monopoly like we did, they have the game do it for them. Oh and of course it makes it so much harder to cheat.

Hell, I'm surprised they havent changed out the original Monopoly game pieces yet. Instead of a goofy looking toy race car, they should use a Ferrari or Bugatti mold. :roll:

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Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2012 9:07 am

I find it very interesting that many retailers are first becoming aware of the 1e reprint from the fans, instead of from WotC. (This has already been documented.)

What seems to have begun with a tentative feeler acknowledging reality (old school popularity) has escalated unexpectedly.

otoh the ROI involved will not be enough to seriously interest Hasbro.

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Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2012 9:26 am

ExTSR wrote:I find it very interesting that many retailers are first becoming aware of the 1e reprint from the fans, instead of from WotC. (This has already been documented.)

What seems to have begun with a tentative feeler acknowledging reality (old school popularity) has escalated unexpectedly.

otoh the ROI involved will not be enough to seriously interest Hasbro.

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My local gamestore doesn't have a clue, and won't be carrying the reprints when I brought it up. They don't see the business expense of buying older/retroclone games when they could be promoting newer stuff.

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Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2012 10:39 am

Badmike wrote:
My local gamestore doesn't have a clue, and won't be carrying the reprints when I brought it up. They don't see the business expense of buying older/retroclone games when they could be promoting newer stuff.

Mike B.

Uhm, I don't understand their approach, I'd stock them happily if I could but alas

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Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2012 11:02 am

From what I understand, the reason for "Advanced" not being in the title is so that the edition wars aren't brought to the forefront once again (oo boy, good luck with that). So D&D 5E, with a base rule set somewhat similar to Castles & Crusades, will have lots of add-on attachments as supplements: Battlesystem-style large-scale, miniatures book, feats, subraces, the ever-present splatbooks etc. And it may well just be called "Dungeons and Dragons."

If that's the case, then miraculously all of their back catalog becomes directly relevant and playable under the new edition. The news there is that the old stuff will probably come selectively back into print, and new "A"D&D modules (to compete with DCC and be compatible with OSR stuff?) might surface.

But if the plan is inclusivity, they need to be more supportive of their European playerbase and release these books over there. Not sure if that's going to happen. I think they're still at the "pleasantly surprised" stage after announcing these Gygaxian reprints, and finding that at least some of us have agreed to not burn them at the stake. :lol:

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Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2012 2:15 pm

darkseraphim wrote:From what I understand, the reason for "Advanced" not being in the title is so that the edition wars aren't brought to the forefront once again ...

I understand where you're coming from, but it seems like the very publication of 5E itself creates another battle in the edition wars.
Yes? No? Shut up, Keith?

darkseraphim wrote:So D&D 5E, with a base rule set somewhat similar to Castles & Crusades, will have lots of add-on attachments as supplements: Battlesystem-style large-scale, miniatures book, feats, subraces, the ever-present splatbooks etc.

So, let me get this straight: They're releasing a re-release of 1E and then (presumably) releasing 5E, which is basically be a retro-clone of C&C?
Got it.

darkseraphim wrote:And it may well just be called "Dungeons and Dragons."

Or "Castles and Crusades" :-)

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