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Post Posted: Tue Jan 26, 2010 9:39 am 
 

Kingofpain89 wrote:http://www.wkowtv.com/global/story.asp?s=11876814

What I wanna know is how in the hell did he get the books and dice smuggled in?


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"...playing it promotes gang-related activity"  ... you mean 'party-related activity'.  Too right, can you imagine a prison riot sparked from a harsh DM killing off a beloved character.  8O


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Post Posted: Tue Jan 26, 2010 9:54 am 
 

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"...playing it promotes gang-related activity"  ... you mean 'party-related activity'.  Too right, can you imagine a prison riot sparked from a harsh DM killing off a beloved character.  8O


That prison policy simply sucks.
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Post Posted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 6:26 pm 
 

So what's the success or bad luck people have had with returns/refunds/exchanges from Amazon sellers?

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Post Posted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 10:14 pm 
 

I had two problems on Amazon...both having to do with items that were damaged.  One by a small mistake in handling that bent a corner and the other got a cover slightly bent in the mail.

1st Incident: The seller immediately sent me another copy for free, and let me keep the first module.

2nd Incident:  The seller immediately refunded all of my money, including shipping, apologized and let me keep the module.


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Post Posted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 10:58 pm 
 

These are just a few of the relatively recent issues/solutions I've had dealing with Amazon sellers:

1) Copy of a "Like New" book (Heroic Worlds, actually) sent by seller had a binding defect, where part of one signature (in the D&D section, no less) was somehow folded over and bound into the book. Seller issued full refund within 2 hours of being notified, let me keep book.

2) Factory sealed DVD set damaged either while stored by seller or in transit. Returned for replacement, with postage covered by seller.

3) Module advertised as "Very Good" condition. Arrived and not only did it start out in worse condition than that, it had been sent in a bubble envelope and was folded in half (neatly :)) by the USPS. Seller issued full refund.

4) Seller had advertised a copy of the 2nd edition of a hardcover book under the listing for the 1st edition book by mistake. I wasn't especially concerned which I received, but what I paid was more than a 2nd was worth, so I complained to the seller and received a partial refund.

I get the impression Amazon runs a pretty tight ship with Amazon Marketplace. I've never had a problem that wasn't rectified to my satisfaction. Unlike with eBay...


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Post Posted: Thu Jan 28, 2010 2:47 am 
 

As a buyer, I can't fault Amazon, but from others experience here, sellers are wide open to potential abuse.
However my wife recently purchased from a seller on Amazon, two weeks later still no item. Then no reply from the seller, so within 24hrs of contacting Amazon direct, she received a full refund.
Seems that a dozen other buyers received nothing as well.
My experience with ebay/paypal over a year ago in a similar situation left me without the item or my money.


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Post Posted: Thu Jan 28, 2010 9:39 am 
 

That's why I use Amazon and not ebay.

 

You are basically always dealing with Amazon, and not the seller.

You pay Amazon and Amazon pays the seller.  If you have a problem, you can still contact the seller to resolve, but if you get screwed Amazon itself stands behind the transaction and  resolves the problem.  There's very little risk.  Much better system for buyers than Ebay.



I'm not a seller so I can't speak to how that works with them.



The only problem I ever had with an Amazon seller was with a comic I ordered, and I resolved it with the seller.  Kind of.



I bought the comic, and it never arrived.  After several inquiries the seller finally admits he didn't actually have it in his inventory in the first place when I bought it, but guaranteed to obtain it and send it.  (Which was a policy stated in his store listing.)   I waited again for the book to come, but it never did, so eventually I negged him.



Soon after a refund appeared on my account.  I told him I didn't want a refund, I wanted the "guaranteed" replacement which he then said he couldn't provide.  I did remove the neg, because he at least refunded my money promptly.


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Post Posted: Thu Jan 28, 2010 10:03 am 
 

Agent Cooper wrote:That's why I use Amazon and not ebay.
 
You are basically always dealing with Amazon, and not the seller.
You pay Amazon and Amazon pays the seller.  If you have a problem, you can still contact the seller to resolve, but if you get screwed Amazon itself stands behind the transaction and  resolves the problem.  There's very little risk.  Much better system for buyers than Ebay.

I'm not a seller so I can't speak to how that works with them.

The only problem I ever had with an Amazon seller was with a comic I ordered, and I resolved it with the seller.  Kind of.

I bought the comic, and it never arrived.  After several inquiries the seller finally admits he didn't actually have it in his inventory in the first place when I bought it, but guaranteed to obtain it and send it.  (Which was a policy stated in his store listing.)   I waited again for the book to come, but it never did, so eventually I negged him.

Soon after a refund appeared on my account.  I told him I didn't want a refund, I wanted the "guaranteed" replacement which he then said he couldn't provide.  I did remove the neg, because he at least refunded my money promptly.




Interesting, because as a SELLER I would never use Amazon.  



As a seller on Amazon I have no connection with the buyer, as they can do an "end run" around me to Amazon for a refund.  The impersonality if it is just not my style, I prefer a more hands on and personal interaction.



I can understand why buyers would love it....you are always right, and can get a refund for anything (justified or not). Some sellers (those who are less connected to the process, or just want to sell a few items) might enjoy the ease of dealing with Amazon, as they basically handle everything.



As a buyer, I like their selection, although often the prices are ludicrous for rare items. Case in point, a certain book I was looking for (crime novel of the 70s, very rare) was listed on Amazon for years at something like $100.  It's the only one I needed to finish out a series from this particular author. I had made offers, etc to the seller but they never replied on budged on the price.

The book finally came up on ebay last month. Final price for that book (and two others by the same author) was under $20.  I find generally prices for rare stuff are better on ebay, while prices for common stuff are better on Amazon.



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Post Posted: Thu Jan 28, 2010 10:45 am 
 

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I can see how some buyers can take advantage of this system.  I don't know how or if Amazon keeps track of problem or suspicious buyers who claim a large number of refunds.  I imagine they must have something in place, or they'd be broke by now.

And yes, I've actually noticed how high the 3rd party prices for OOP are on Amazon lately.  Not long ago I mentioned  in another post about how high the price for a 3ED MMV is there.

Ebay is cheaper in many instances now, but I'm still hesitant to use it.


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Post Posted: Thu Jan 28, 2010 12:46 pm 
 

The only real issue I have with Amazon is that they won't let me use PayPal.


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Post Posted: Thu Jan 28, 2010 3:37 pm 
 

FormCritic wrote:The only real issue I have with Amazon is that they won't let me use PayPal.


Exactly. I understand that they don't want to support ebay, but paypal is a fact of life and I wish they'd widen their customer base and accept it.

  

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Post Posted: Thu Jan 28, 2010 4:24 pm 
 

Nice to know it's fairly positive in getting a refund then.  In my ongoing case its a dvd box set with a few of the dvds scratched or with tape residue.  Seller is offering a full refund so shall have to see how it goes.

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Post Posted: Thu Jan 28, 2010 5:26 pm 
 

If you get/have a Paypal debit card you should be able to use at Amazon.  I did it for some purchases but it was awhile ago.
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Post Posted: Thu Jan 28, 2010 5:54 pm 
 

As a seller I would never sell stuff on Amazon. I really don't have money to piss up a wall. Amazon don't give a damn about third party sellers and couldn't give a F whether you get paid or not.

As a buyer, you can get as much free stuff as you want from Amazon. Just ask for your money back claiming it was faulty, not received, or that you just don't want it and you'll get a complete refund. The seller can do sweet FA to stop you. And Amazon will keep your little scam a secret so you can screw as many sellers as you like. Just be sure to buy from Amazon themselves from time to time to keep them happy with you.

The Amazon system is so corrupt and their staff are so offensively ignorant that the system is well worth playing. Today I had to spend five whole minutes trying to get some American kid to get the spelling of my name right, just so he cound find my account. Then he asked me if I could spell my address. I ended up having to get a supervisor to the phone to get him to write it fown for his employee. The employee didn't even understand the concept of "I for India, A for Alpha..."!

Amazon is a like a big book store with all the D&D stuff at the back in darkenned rooms with no security and an open fire exit. You can go in, fill your bag and walk out, and the only person who will ever give a F is the schmuck who was stupid enough to put his stuff on sale.


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Post Posted: Thu Jan 28, 2010 5:58 pm 
 

Just finished watching Let the Right One In, on DVD.  Completely amazed.  A brilliant film.  Now I know what all the hype was about.  

Watch it !!!!  8O  :D


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Post Posted: Thu Jan 28, 2010 6:09 pm 
 

What's it about? Who's in it?
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Post Posted: Thu Jan 28, 2010 6:28 pm 
 

It's about vampires, and love, and life in Swedish suburbia.  And it is fab!
Here's a trailer for you:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICp4g9p_rgo

(this does make it look more a horror film and less a romance, but you get the idea).


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Post Posted: Fri Jan 29, 2010 12:36 pm 
 

In case you were wondering how the Haiti charity drive by DriveThruRPG and RPGNow has been going, click on this link:

http://rpg.drivethrustuff.com/rpg_haiti.php?SRC=haitiNL

It's pretty impressive.

The deadline is January 31.  Even if you don't care to donate you might care to get in on a long list of pdf files.  There are some gems on the list.


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