I don't think that's the issue.
I think the issue is that Pip behaves like a wanker.

No. Sellers can be subjected to financial insentives. We all know that. It's just that some collectors are morally bankrupt.

Well, he certainly has no problem with it, nor do the sellers he deals with (Jane, Lisa, etc). He just seems to be corrupting those he meets. Maybe it's like a desease he caught from Lisa and passed along to Jane, but I don't think the dates work out that way. Either way, Pip seems to be a very shady dealer.

faro wrote:Martin; this community stands by those who have done far worse (both legally and ethically) and supports more dubious behaviors (from my p.o.v., at least) than anything thus far cited in this thread.

Some might, but not me, David.

faro wrote:Is there some sort of "kick the outcaste out" forum rule that I'm unaware of? If anyone wishes to start such a thread on a level playing field basis, feel free.

You very well know that no one outside of Scott has the ability or the authority to boot someone from the site.  

With that said, that some folks want such a dishonest individual gone from is well within their rights to say here.  I am quite certain there are some folks that want me gone too.

Invincible Overlord wrote:
Pip's ebay practices are agressive and borders on predatory.

If he wants something, he's going to try and get it.

And he's done nothing to dispute this.

<shrug>

There is no "Borders on" at all.

He will do anything up to and including lying to get what he wants to apparently both the seller and everyone else.  His lies have been well documented on here, this just happens to be the most recent to come to light.

The best part is that for all the asshattery, he still continues to both lie over and over and then after getting nailed then attempting to play the victim.

Pipswich wrote:Regarding not getting an item I won, I was incorrect.  Rather than an item that I initially "won", I did not get an item and/or items that I agreed to buy during the initial discussion of other available work.  (Song of Roland)  I believe misterspock ended up with that in her negotiations with him which should have settled the matter.

Hello? (knocks on skull) McSwich? Anyone in there?

MUST we go through this AGAIN? You keep projecting onto me these "negotiations". That's what you do. I made NO side deal for additional art.

The both of you were interested in me playing the shady deal game.

I asked her that first night before you strolled along, AND READ CAREFULLY:
of the ones unsold (ie, ones not relisted), to relist those I would be interested so that I could buy them through the Ebay process as I had just done on the previous three.

I don't need to involve myself in shady plays. You obviously have that need. I flatly refused any side deal that the two of you came up with.

To prove my point yet again,



This painting was not part of any deal with me.

And obviously that's not my feedback amount. I just blurred out whoever it was to prevent you from approaching them with your next shady deal.

You keep projecting onto me this jealousy nonsense. That's all YOU, dude. I like art as much as the next person, but I don't need anything that bad. YOU need stuff that bad. Everyone here sees it. I hope you see it and get help for it. You have a problem. My motivation is that I don't like liars and shady people. And to reiterate, this thread was to show YOUR involvement and deception in the shady play, especially on the third painting.

However, and I want to make this crystal clear to everyone, that on this transaction the seller was ultimately and absolutely at fault:
1. for attempting to work out a deal where more of the artist's pieces could sell, and
2. for fearing Pip's negative feedback on more pieces purchased.

I took my dispute up with her and Ebay, and as I have stated, Ebay does not and will not enforce anything on their site. You, as a buyer,  can talk to as many employees and supervisors who will agree with you, the seller can talk to as many employees, the other "buyer" can talk to as many employees, etc...but Ebay will no more compel a sale than they will compel a purchase. They do what's necessary to avoid liability to the company. All contracts are left up to the courts to enforce.

Lastly, going back to this point,

Mars wrote:One question: why no negative feedback to wowart on this?

I thought there was a length of time issue on the negative feedback. I tried in October after I saw Pip's feedback show up the month and a half later (he just couldn't help himself). But actually I was locked out of providing any feedback since my payment was refunded. So the Ebay transaction page on my end had changed back to show that I hadn't paid yet. Otherwise, yes I would have neg'd her.[/i]

Pipswich wrote:For those willing to do business with me, chuckle.
Anyone got something nice you want to sell?

Thats very funny. Thanks for the best laugh I have had today... thanks for the offer but count me out.

Time to stop this thread guys.  Pip is never going to acknowledge that in a small community such as ours that he has managed to alienate a large percentage of the group by his own actions. Sad really. He doesn't recognise that gaming is about bringing friends together and as such you would never undermine one of your friends on an auction just for the sake of winning.

Personally, I would prefer to see more conversations about our small hobby.

So Brian, Frank, Ian etc can we please let it go .... thanks  

Oh, and to note, I don't recall the negotiations including only Song of Roland, Lycanthropy and the list in one of the emails provided.  I think there were other images up for grabs, as well, and there was at least one more item that I did not get.  Perhaps they were also sold on Ebay and I missed them.

improvstone wrote:Time to stop this thread guys.  Pip is never going to acknowledge that in a small community such as ours that he has managed to alienate a large percentage of the group by his own actions. Sad really. He doesn't recognise that gaming is about bringing friends together and as such you would never undermine one of your friends on an auction just for the sake of winning.

Personally, I would prefer to see more conversations about our small hobby.

I agree. The point was made and I have no need to challenge him further.