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Post Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2012 8:38 pm 
 

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Post Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2012 11:20 pm 
 

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I don't think the British will have much trouble figuring out that colour and armour are the same things as color and armor.

I was referring to the fact that AD&D had books printed up for other countries as well as the U.S., in German, UK English (or is that British English, or simply English), or whatever. If these in the U.S. sell well, then perhaps they'll do the same with the old foreign editions.

  

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Post Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 4:49 am 
 

I had no idea the text used in any of the AD&D books sold in the United Kingdon was any different than those sold in the United States.

Did this happen?  Sounds unlikely.  :scratch:


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Post Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 6:20 am 
 

Or its a whole new raft of books that you'll need for your collection....


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Post Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 7:47 am 
 

FormCritic wrote:I had no idea the text used in any of the AD&D books sold in the United Kingdon was any different than those sold in the United States.

Did this happen?  Sounds unlikely.  :scratch:


I really doubt they bothered to go through and "correct" the AD&D books when producing the UK softcovers, but I don't own them so can't say for sure.

All this is moot of course, since the language used in the PHB, DMG, and MM isn't English, it's Old High Gygaxian.


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Post Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 9:33 am 
 

Nope. Same book.

So is the general consensus that WotC are making the reprints US citisens only, because people elsewhere in the world can't afford it to be posted to them and won't understand American English when they get it?

Any other hypotheses?

Could it be that there aren't any real D&D players outside of the US? Or that this is a product aimed only at the old school player and they are US only? Is there any truck in the possibility that selling outside of the US somehow breaches the Copyright Law?


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Post Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 10:00 am 
 

mbassoc2003 wrote:So is the general consensus that WotC are making the reprints US citisens only, because people elsewhere in the world can't afford it to be posted to them and won't understand American English when they get it?

Any other hypotheses?


Not my take at all. My guess is that the 1st impression (and quite possibly only print) of these is going to be extremely small. They're throwing a bone to us. Or, put differently, they're chumming the waters not knowing if there are even any sharks around. I'm guessing 2,000 - 3,000 tops. Printing this few, and being unsure if they'll even sell, they are not risking taking orders from their big retail outlets (B&N, Amazon, etc.) where regular shoppers would likely be mystified, but are instead making it a boutique affair and offering it only through FLGSs where this many copies are almost sure to sell out eventually. It has the added advantage of seeming like a grand gesture of reconciliation with so-called "old school" gamers.

I don't know the specifics concerning the differences in the distribution chain in a case like I'm hypothesizing, but my assumption is that it would preclude any overseas wholesale push. There's no point in the added expense.

They're acting like a small press on this one. When Subterranean Press, for instance, issues a limited run book, they fulfill direct customer orders first, small bookshop orders second, and only then do they begin sending to major outlets. Sometimes there aren't any left for that, sometimes there are. It's smart. The individual customers and small shops never send stuff back, so once the books are sold, they're sold. And if the title is unexpectedly popular, another print run can always be ordered.

WotC isn't at all sure this is a good idea, so they're playing it safe. And that means keeping it small and close to home.

Remember how long those TSR Silver Anniversary box sets sat on FLGS shelves getting dusty? Why didn't I and all of my friends each grab one immediately? Answer: we already owned the contents (yeah, except L3), and they were asking too much money for them. Sound familiar?


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Post Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 10:17 am 
 

If that's the case, why refuse direct orders from buyers without US Citizenship?


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Post Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 12:01 pm 
 

mbassoc2003 wrote:If that's the case, why refuse direct orders from buyers without US Citizenship?


I wasn't aware they took direct orders from customers at all. Or do you mean from businesses? I not familiar with how WotC handles it's relationships with US FLGSs vs. overseas. Do UK game stores get the special promo stuff for M:tG and D&D like over here?

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Post Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 12:09 pm 
 

We seem to get a lot of the WotC promo stuff, but not much of the promo stuff that comes from other publishers. It's supplied through the designated UK Distributor for WotC. So in the UK FLGS's order from the distributor who is supplied from WotC publishing/distribution chain.

So, in the US, FLGS's can order directly from WotC and WotC will post to them directly? Or are they told to contact their local distributor?


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Post Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 12:22 pm 
 

mbassoc2003 wrote:So, in the US, FLGS's can order directly from WotC and WotC will post to them directly? Or are they told to contact their local distributor?


I'm not really sure how it works; I always assumed they worked through a distributor, but there must be some mechanism for WotC to know where to send promo Magic cards, D&D "Game Day" crapola, DM Rewards stuff, etc., which I would think is done directly between FLGS and WotC. I'm sure someone else here runs a FLGS or is otherwise more intimately familiar with how it works.

My only real point was that I think this is going to be a tiny, tiny release, and if that's so it kind of makes sense to me to keep in within North America. I mean, how many FLGSs could possibly be left in the US and Canada? 500?


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Post Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 12:28 pm 
 

mbassoc2003 wrote:We seem to get a lot of the WotC promo stuff, but not much of the promo stuff that comes from other publishers. It's supplied through the designated UK Distributor for WotC. So in the UK FLGS's order from the distributor who is supplied from WotC publishing/distribution chain.

So, in the US, FLGS's can order directly from WotC and WotC will post to them directly? Or are they told to contact their local distributor?


Here in Canada you can do both.  If you have a certain threshold of minimum orders and order a bit of most Wotc product you can order directly from them with a very good discount.  If you like you can order stuff from your local distributor in any quantity (No minimums).  Ordering dierctly through Wotc gives you easier opportunity to get the promotional material and such.


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Post Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 12:33 pm 
 

The DMs Reward stuff wasn't available here in the UK as far as I know, but the Games Day stuff usually is in small quantities. Malc will be able to comment on the MtG suff, I'd imagine.


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Post Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 12:56 pm 
 

Hi,

FLGS get most of the promo stuff, as far as I am aware.

Some Mtg stuff is in VERY limited numbers however - which makes them instantly collectible.

I have asked at the main UK distributor, and, as far as they are currently aware, they will be getting them in stock. No more info than that tho.

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Post Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 2:07 pm 
 

Versimilitude wrote:I have asked at the main UK distributor, and, as far as they are currently aware, they will be getting them in stock. No more info than that tho.

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I hope they're right. It would only be fair to get these out to everyone who wants them.

EDIT: Well, I just inadvertently placed a preorder for these :). I asked John at DoK for some clarification on how these are going to be released, and he assumed I wanted a set, LOL. Oh well, what the heck? I'm guess I'm in, now.


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Post Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 3:11 pm 
 

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I hope they're right. It would only be fair to get these out to everyone who wants them.

EDIT: Well, I just inadvertently placed a preorder for these :). I asked John at DoK for some clarification on how these are going to be released, and he assumed I wanted a set, LOL. Oh well, what the heck? I'm guess I'm in, now.

I hope so. I'd like to get these in the UK if I could.


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Post Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 3:46 pm 
 

mbassoc2003 wrote:We seem to get a lot of the WotC promo stuff, but not much of the promo stuff that comes from other publishers. It's supplied through the designated UK Distributor for WotC. So in the UK FLGS's order from the distributor who is supplied from WotC publishing/distribution chain.

So, in the US, FLGS's can order directly from WotC and WotC will post to them directly? Or are they told to contact their local distributor?


My best friend owned a FLGS for a few years in the States here. You can order WoTC stuff straight from them OR from a distributor. He used to buy Magic cards from distributors, cause they ordered you know, 1000 cases and could offer him a better deal on 1 case than WoTC could. However, all the promo stuff come from WoTC directly. WoTC also had stock when the distributor was out, etc. I guess I just wanted to say you can order it from both in the US. :)

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Post Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2012 1:12 pm 
 

While the size of the print run is undetermined I have an opinion on why it's being offered in the first place.  Whatever deal they have with the printer is probably done well in advance (and a year at a time).  If they have decided to limit their liability on 4E material by cutting the number of items down this year (seems likely) they would either have to substitute an item to be printed or forfeit a fee (consolation for the printer?) for backing out of the agreement.

Wild speculation, probably, but it feels like it might be realistic.

No matter the reaons, it'll be nice to see them in print again.


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